It’s hard to overstate the significance of the new SAVE Repayment plan.
Rather than list the many borrowers who can benefit from the SAVE IDR plan, it is probably easier to list the few borrowers on IDR plans who wouldn’t benefit from signing up for SAVE.
That list includes the following:
End of list. If you have been out of school for a while or if you don’t have graduate debt, SAVE is almost certainly the best IDR plan available.
REPAYE (Revised Pay As You Earn) vs. SAVE (Saving on a Valuable Education)
The REPAYE plan is getting eliminated and replaced with SAVE.
Think of SAVE as a new and improved REPAYE. Borrowers will see some changes happen right away, and other changes will happen in July 2024.
The transition from REPAYE to SAVE is a two-phase process.
Phase I started with the repayment restart. Borrowers still pay 10% of their discretionary income each month, but the discretionary income formula changes. Instead of using 150% of the federal poverty level in the calculation, the number jumps to 225%. For borrowers, this means a smaller monthly bill.
The next immediate change is that married borrowers who file their taxes separately can exclude spousal income from REPAYE calculations. This improvement makes REPAYE a better option for married borrowers.
Finally, SAVE now covers 100% of the excess interest the loan generates each month. The current REPAYE subsidy only covers 50%. For example, a $10,000 loan at 6% interest generates $600 per year in interest or $50 per month. In this example, if your REPAYE payment is $20, it means $30 per month in excess interest. In the past, REPAYE immediately forgives 50% of that interest, meaning our borrower has $15 immediately forgiven. Now, REPAYE/SAVE will cover all $30 of the monthly unpaid interest.
Phase II happens on July 1, 2024. REPAYE formally becomes the SAVE plan, and the remaining provisions of SAVE take effect. These provisions include earlier forgiveness for borrowers with smaller balances and lower payments for borrowers with undergraduate debt.
Digging Deeper into the SAVE Plan: For a deep dive into SAVE rules and a calculator to estimate SAVE payments, check out the SAVE calculator.
REPAYE/SAVE Enrollment and Eligibility
The vast majority of IDR borrowers will want to sign up for the SAVE plan.
Those already in REPAYE should have had their payments automatically recalculated under the new terms. Borrowers can enroll in SAVE or update their IDR enrollment on the Department of Education IDR enrollment page.
All Federal Direct Loans are eligible, including Federal Stafford (Subsidized and Unsubsidized), Graduate Plus, and Direct Consolidation. The one exception is that Direct Consolidation loans that include Parent PLUS loans are not eligible.
Borrowers with FFEL Loans and Perkins loans are not eligible. However, these borrowers can consolidate the debt into a federal direct loan to gain eligibility. Additionally, federal direct consolidation at this time should not reset progress toward student loan forgiveness.
Defaulted federal loans are also not eligible. However, the Fresh Start program will allow borrowers to resolve the default and enroll in REPAYE/SAVE.
PAYE (Pay As You Earn) Gets Sunsetted
PAYE was a noteworthy repayment plan because it offered the lowest monthly bill when it was first created.
With the creation of the SAVE plan, most borrowers won’t benefit from PAYE. SAVE will always offer lower monthly payments than PAYE. Additionally, more borrowers will qualify for $0 per month payments under SAVE.
The Department of Education policy is that no new borrowers can sign up for PAYE. However, those currently on PAYE can stick with this plan.
One reason that a borrower might stick with PAYE is if they have graduate loans and they are nearing the 20-year IDR forgiveness. On SAVE, a borrower with graduate debt must make payments for 25 years before earning IDR forgiveness. Borrowers chasing this form of forgiveness must balance the higher payments on PAYE against the earlier forgiveness for those with graduate debt.
Another potential reason to stick with PAYE would be the payment caps on PAYE. For most borrowers this doesn’t make a difference, but if you have some high earning years on the tail end of your repayment journey, the cap could be a benefit.
IBR (Income-Based Repayment) Becomes a Rarely-Used Option
Borrowers on IBR pay 10% or 15% of their monthly discretionary income. The percentage depends on when they took out their first student loan. Those who borrowed after 2014 only pay 10%. Those with older loans pay 15%.
The IDR analysis will look almost identical to the PAYE analysis. REPAYE/SAVE is the cheaper and more affordable repayment plan for most borrowers.
The one exception is borrowers with graduate debt who are pursuing IDR forgiveness after 20 years. SAVE will make these borrowers wait 25 years.
The big difference between PAYE and IBR moving forward is that IBR will still be available for most borrowers, whereas PAYE disappears immediately for those not currently enrolled.
However, borrowers lose IBR eligibility after making 60 payments on SAVE after July 1, 2024. The purpose of this rule is to prevent graduate borrowers from making low payments on SAVE for 19 years and 11 months and then switching to IBR and trying to get forgiveness after 20 years.
The big decision for borrowers with graduate loans considering IDR forgiveness will be deciding between the lower payments of SAVE vs. the earlier forgiveness of IDR.
What about PSLF Borrowers? Borrowers pursuing Public Service Loan Forgiveness won’t have to worry about this issue. PSLF eligibility comes after 120 eligible payments (10 years worth). These borrowers can make payments on any eligible repayment plan, including SAVE.
ICR (Income-Contingent Repayment) Doesn’t Change Much
ICR was the first income-driven repayment plan, but it is also the worst one.
Moving forward, new students will not be able to enroll in ICR. However, borrowers with consolidated Parent PLUS loans can still sign up for ICR.
In the past, and under the new rules, consolidating Parent PLUS loans will be the only way to qualify Parent PLUS debt for PSLF or income-driven repayment.
Sadly, Parent PLUS loans cannot be eligible for REPAYE or SAVE. Thus, it remains critical not to consolidate Parent PLUS loans borrowed for your child with federal student loans borrowed for your education.
What if I Make Too Much for SAVE?
There isn’t an income cap for SAVE enrollment.
Borrowers with substantial incomes may have large payments, but there isn’t a salary cutoff for SAVE enrollment or calculations.
However, some borrowers may have incomes so large that other balance-based plans, such as the 10-year standard repayment plan, become more affordable.
Picking the Best Plan
Despite the changes, things are pretty simple for most borrowers now that payments have restarted.
Most people will want to sign up for the SAVE plan. It will has the lowest monthly payments, an interest subsidy, and full benefits arrive automatically next year.
FFEL and Perkins borrowers should probably consolidate before the IDR Count Update deadline and sign up for SAVE.
Parent PLUS borrowers won’t be able to benefit from the new repayment plan. Their strategy hasn’t really changed.
Borrowers with graduate debt are the only ones who face a decision. They will need to compare the monthly savings of REPAYE/SAVE against 20-year IDR forgiveness. Notably, not all borrowers with graduate loans face this issue. If your loans are too old to qualify for PAYE or IBR for New Borrowers, REPAYE/SAVE will be the best option.
Frequently Asked Questions
Many of you have sent me emails with questions about how SAVE will impact your repayment strategy.
Here are some of the most common questions I’ve received:
No. Your progress toward loan forgiveness shouldn’t get reset by switching to SAVE. With the IDR Count Update scheduled for early next year, some of you will be very close to forgiveness.
Possibly. The new policy for the Department of Education is to only capitalize interest when required by statute. For borrowers on IBR, it will mean interest capitalization. If you are on PAYE, REPAYE, or ICR you should be able to avoid it.
When you sign up for any federal repayment plan, you are not committed to that plan. You have to certify income yearly for SAVE (which can be done automatically), but you don’t have to stay on SAVE for any duration of time.
Whenever there is a change to student loan rules, or student loans are in the news, servicers get swamped. Wait times will be longer, but if you have an important question about your loans, keep calling and keep waiting. Sometimes, it is your only choice.
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I was held in for forebearance or deferment for 2 years in 2013 to 2015 while on PSLF and in school. PSLF states you can make qualifying payments while attending school. They did not calculate payments for me. Is there a requirement available that would allow me to qualify these, like PSLF buyback?
Unfortunately, I don’t see a route to getting that time to count toward PSLF.
The PSLF buyback program is a great way to replace months that were in forbearance or deferment status with qualifying payments. Sadly, the PSLF buyback page specifically lists In-school months as not eligible for the program.
Hello Michael, thank you for all your help. I have a fairly straightforward question. My son owes approximately $14770 and his current payment approximately $190 per month. We were going to switch him to the SAVE plan where he would qualify for $0 payment but I am wondering if there is any way to pay down the principal in the meantime? If I understand, any payment we would make when our payment is supposed to be only $0 would go towards the interest first and anything over the interest payment would then go to the principal- so I’m not sure what we would gain from being on the SAVE program?
I love this question. It shows you really are understanding the fine print on repayment and putting together a well thought out strategy.
To answer your quesiton, you can make extra payments and it will be applied to principal because the subsidy will cover all of the interest.
However, I’d encourage you to consider some other options that might be more advantageous than making extra payments when you qualify for the subsidy.
Thank you so much for your help with this, I just need to clarify one thing. When I make the payment, will it first go towards interest and then towards principal or do they always apply the payment to principal if you qualify for the zero dollar payment in other words, if he qualifies for the zero dollar payment and then we make a payment will they apply any of that payment to the interest first and then to principal or does it automatically go to the principal?
The thing that makes SAVE special is that it offers a subsidy that covers the unpaid interest each month.
That subsidy will take care of the interest portion of the payment. However, I’d encourage you to check out the other article I linked as you evaulate your options and strategy.
Can the SAVE plan be available for Retirees who carry a student loan balance into retirement?
Absolutely. In fact, SAVE is a great option for those living on social security.
Many retirees will be able to qualify for $0 per month payments until their debt is forgiven.
So, currently I am on the SAVE program and am retiring this year, is there a requirement to sign up for SAVE in retirement, or does the SAVE program I currently on automatically start when I reach retirement? Thank you.
Whether or not you are retired has no impact on SAVE enrollment or eligiblity. The only difference is your changing financial circumstances may mean changing payments. Generally speaking, SAVE is a pretty good option for retireees, but it will depend on how you are funding your retirement.
Hi Michael,
I emailed this question but then realized the comments thread may be a better place for it. Plus, if you have time to answer, it’ll help other people who must have this same question!
Thank you so much for all the info you provide on this site. It’s been really helpful!
I have scoured the internet but can’t find the answer to this seemingly simple question: If I switch from old IBR to SAVE, will my time to forgiveness be reduced from 300 payments to 240?
I only have undergrad loans. I entered repayment in 2006. I have not taken out any loans since prior to 2006. I’m currently on “old” IBR. I’m not in default. My loans were all consolidated into federal direct loans years ago. I think it’s technically one loan but on my student loan dashboard it shows as two loans: a subsidized direct consolidation loan and an unsubsidized direct consolidation loan. I
f I stay on old IBR (and depending on the results of the IDR recount) I’ll be in repayment until at least 2031 to reach 300 payments. It seems too good to be true that switching from my current IBR plan to SAVE could reduce my required payments to 240.
When I started the SAVE application, it showed me an estimated forgiveness date of 2031. I didn’t yet submit it because seeing 25 years on the application results instead of 20 years confused me. It also said I’d need to consolidate my loans to be eligible. However, there’s nothing to consolidate because you can’t consolidate a direct sub with a direct unsub, right?? Geez, I’m so lost on this.
Thank you for taking the time to read this question. I’m hoping you’ll also have time to answer it. I appreciate you!
First, thanks for the kind words.
As for your questions, I think your instinct is right on just about everything. There isn’t another consolidation to do, becuase the unsubsidized loans are typically consolidated seperately from the subsidized loans.
More signficantly, since you have only undergraduate loans, SAVE is a great option as it would speed up forgiveness by 5 years. However, to Dani and anyone else reading this, please be certain you have only undergraduate loans. If you have one graduate loan, it becomes 25 years for all loans.
Finally, I wouldn’t put too much stock in what the studentaid.gov tools say when it comes to forgiveness timelines. These tools have not been updated as of yet to include existing borrower progress or repayment programs. You can talk with your servicer to verify where you stand.
I’ve been looking everywhere for the answer. YAY!!!! Thank you so much for this reply!
I’d like to summarize all the info I’ve gathered for others who may have this same question. [Michael, please see additional comments at the end of this summary.]
I entered repayment in 2006 with an original loan balance of about 28k. I was on “old” IBR, meaning I took out all of my loans PRIOR to July 1, 2014. All are UNDERGRAD loans. I have been paying regularly with only a few short periods of deferment or forbearance since 2006. On “old” IBR my time to forgiveness was 300 payments or 25 years. Switching from “old” IBR to SAVE means my time to forgiveness will be REDUCED from 300 payments (25 years) to 240 payments (20 years).
Switching plans will NOT restart my forgiveness countdown. I’m eagerly awaiting the completion of the IDR recount to see how much time I have left. (I’ll definitely compare it to my own records.)
Starting in July 2024, the SAVE plan will calculate forgiveness like this:
Borrowers with original principal loan balances of 12k or less can have remaining balances forgiven after 10 years of payments. The original principal balance includes the total of all loans added together. (For example, 3 loans of 2k, 10k, and 4k would TOTAL 16k. Even though they are each under 12k, the individual amounts aren’t kept separate for the 10 year forgiveness.) For every 1k you borrowed above 12k, you need to make payments for an additional year (capped at a maximum of 20 years for all UNDERGRAD loans and capped at a maximum of 25 years for and GRAD loans.) If you have even one Grad loan, you fall into the 25 years max category.
Example 1: An undergraduate borrower with an original principal balance of 16k would need to make payments on SAVE for 14 years in order to qualify for loan forgiveness.
A graduate borrower with an original principal balance of 15k would need to make payments on SAVE for 18 years in order to qualify for loan forgiveness.
Example 2: An undergraduate borrower with a principal balance of 20k and above would need to make payments on SAVE for a max of 20 years in order to qualify for loan forgiveness. A graduate borrower with a principal balance of 20k and above would need to make payments on SAVE for a max of 25 years in order to qualify for loan forgiveness.
The shorter time to forgiveness and some of the other benefits of SAVE will not go into effect until July 2024. However, switching now will prevent additional interest from accruing as long as I make the required payment. Switching to SAVE does cause existing interest to capitalize (meaning it gets added to the principal balance due), but I’ve been paying down the interest during the Covid forbearance and my interest is minimal now. It’s a good time to switch and keep new interest from piling on.
The SAVE program allows married people to file taxes separately to avoid including spousal income in determining your required payment. However, run the numbers with a CPA before deciding because even though filing separately could reduce your individual student loan payments, there are a lot of tax implications that may subsequently increase your overall tax bill (thereby negating the lower loan payment.)
Additional comments:
You mentioned the unreliability of tools on studentaid.gov. The place where I saw my estimate for forgiveness was on the actual application for the SAVE plan. This is what it says on my application:
Saving on a Valuable Education (SAVE) Plan Details: Monthly Payment $0; Total To Be Paid $0; Pay Off Date May 2031; Forgiveness Amount $26,462; Loan Term 25 Years. Then in the next section it says: Advantages: “Any outstanding balance on your loan will be forgiven if you haven’t repaid your loan after 20 years for loans taken out for undergraduate study.”
It contradicts itself! I guess it’s still pulling it’s data from the “old” IBR loan term that I’m on now. I entered repayment in 2006 so 20 years would be 2026 (barring any months of deferment or forbearance that aren’t recouped by the IDR recount) I’m going to submit the application anyway and hope the loan term reduces to 20 years in July 2024. I took screenshots of all the pages of the application to make myself feel less crazy…
You also mentioned talking with my servicer. I’ve tried to contact Nelnet over 30 times in the past few months via email and phone calls. I waited on hold for over 45 hours. I documented each attempt. I have yet to get a human on the phone. It’s incredibly disappointing. I filed a complaint though Nelnet and the studentaid.gov site but didn’t get a response. I’m sure they’re inundated with similar complaints.
A last thought to chew on…if the feds didn’t enact the IDR recount, how long was Nelnet going to let me and millions of other borrowers keep paying monthly? They have never given me an “estimated forgiveness date” to work toward and there’s no info in my account portal that indicates when it could be. I’ve paid a total of almost 30k over the last 18 years, which is more than my original loan balance. Interest is a killer! I’m sure they would have tried to silently take my money for another 10 years if something wasn’t done.
Michael, you’re an amazing human. Thank you for caring and for taking the time to reply to so many of us!
Great work on all of this Dani! I think you’ve got a really strong understanding of the new SAVE plan and strategy for using it.
The only thing I would add is that your experience with Nelnet sounds awful. You really should be able to talk to someone without facing so many issues. Given how well you’ve documented things, I think it might help to also file a complaint with the CFPB. Of all the complaint options, I find the CFPB process is the most effective at making a difference.
If currently on PAYE and ibr do I need to apply for save or will it be done automatically also next question as I’m 50 if I use the save plan and something happens to me (death gif forbid) would my husband and children be held responsible
SAVE automatically replaces REPAYE, but not PAYE or IBR. You will have to sign up for SAVE if you wish to enroll.
Finally, federal student loan balances are forgiven if the borrower dies before the debt is repaid in full.
Mr. Lux,
My student loan balance is approximately 325K (250K principal, 75K interest) and are all 6.8% interest except for the consolidation loans they generously offered at 6.55%. I am currently in the IBR plan. In November 2021, I had made 103 or 300 qualifying payments for IDR forgiveness. If we are credited for payments during the payment suspension period, my current payments should be at 124 or 125, leaving approximately 175 months or 14.5 years.
I am a 52 yo male, morbidly obese with borderline hypertension, which would make me 67 at my earliest loan forgiveness eligibility IF I live that long. I have $0 in any retirement, to include 401K, IRA and Roth IRA. Prior to grad school, I was employed by a municipality that did not take out social security (they had a city retirement) and until recently I had no meaningful income so I cannot even count on social security since I had only four years contributions during military service and a couple years of part-time high school employment. I do not own any property, but also hold no other debt. I have saved approximately 800K in a savings account bearing 0% interest which is partially savings during the I have saved during the loan payment pause period and an inheritance.
My annual income for the last two years was approximately $260,00 and should be about the same this year. I am self-employed. My previous income had been around 30-50K so I was unable to make loan payments. My life has been a series of bad financial decisions, mostly after changing careers in late 30’s prior to being vested, and not contributing to 401Ks, etc. I cannot change any of that now. I am hoping to be able to retire and not count on social security.
My options include (1) to apply for the new SAFE, (2) remain in IBR, or (3) pay off loan in it’s entirety. I hold no other debt. Using (1) or (2), I could invest the amount I have now in either certificates of deposit or try to find an investment where I can make more than 6.8%. I simply do not know where to start and have heard of too many nightmare stories of losses so I would rather have 0% interest than lose it all. What are your recommendations regarding this student loan balance and retirement savings conundrum?
There is one potential typo in your comment that will greatly impact my thoughts on your situation. You indicated that your income for the last two years was “approximately $260,00” and that you expected the same this year.
Did you mean $26,000 or $260,000?
The strategy for those two different scenarios is considerably different.
$260,000. Thank you kindly, sir.
That is definitely a tricky situation, Luke.
Based on the information that you shared, it seems like SAVE payments would mostly get applied to interest with only a small portion being applied to principal. With in unknown number of high earning years going forward, aggressive repayment seems somewhat risky.
Given the uniqueness of your situation and the large size of your balance, you might benefit from working with a financial planner who specializes in dealing with student debt. For example, I think you could benefit from setting up a self-employed 401(k), putting as much money in there as possible, and minimizing your SAVE payments. However, getting at the optimal strategy will require some discussion and running the numbers in far more detail.
Hi, I can’t believe I found someone who actually knows all about these programs- I am so grateful! Quick question: I have made 11 years of payments on the IBR plan and want to switch to SAVE. Half of my loans are FFEL, and I read about the consolidation “exception” you wrote about. I started filling out an application for consolidation, but on the last page before I hit submit, it very clearly states that my count will restart at zero. Despite reading that this will not hold true as long as I consolidate before the end of the year, it’s hard to stomach signing something that states the opposite. What is your legal advice on me signing this?
Unfortuantely, I can’t give you legal advice on this one as you are not my client and I am not your attorney.
However, I can tell you that the language on the consolidation application is based on the old consolidation rule that did restart progress toward forgiveness. Under the temporary one-time account adjustment, you should get credit for prior payments as long as you consolidate before the deadline.
I’ve gotten this question before from many different borrowers, and in a previous post, I shared my thoughts on the concerns about switching to SAVE and potentially losing progress toward IDR forgiveness.
Hello, you have been so helpful to my other questions. I cannot thank you enough. I have a somewhat complicated question about payments under these plans. Background is I have 19,500 in undergrad loans and 57,500 in graduate loans (totalling around 77k). My spouse has no student loans left to pay off. We have no dependents and live in MI and both work in academia. Our w-2s show my 2022 income is roughly 58000 and my spouse’s is roughly 53000. Under the PAYE plan, before the payment pause, I was paying roughly $630. It was still high, but it was the best possible option at the time per calculations on the fafsa site and we filed jointly to get it. Now I am seeing that REPAYE/SAVE will now no longer factor in my spouse’s income going forward, but the payment estimate I received for October is still based on previous year’s joint AGI of 111,000 so the payment is $558 but I am now solely on the hook for them since they are my loans. Using the provided calculator, if I just factor in my income, i should be seeing a payment of $215.51 (going down to $188.12 in July 2024). That is a significant difference in payment amounts and will be a huge help for me even factoring in the loss of some tax benefits that come with filing jointly. We spoke to a CPA last week and he said our situation is exactly why some people file separately and recommended filing separately next year. I am fine with that but it doesn’t change the reality. Having a $558 payment again after 3 years of none of them, with little to no upward movement in our income as our bills and COL has gone up, even though i expected it, is really putting a dent in our finances. I know they have a forbearance option to assist with the transition but to further complicate matters, I am trying to avoid doing any kind of financial forbearance because I am trying to get PSLF and only have to get 40 more certified payments. So for the question(s): do you have a recommendation for a way I can get lower payments starting in October that will also count toward PSLF? Or am I out of luck on lowering my payments until next year’s tax season if i want them to count toward PSLF? Ideally I would like to have both a low payment that matches my income and continue to be on track for PSLF through my job. We couldn’t have known this was coming when we last filed, I feel frustrated and anxious about making these payments again. I’ve taken on second job in anticipation of the student loan payments ending just to make sure I can continue making them. This has come at a terrible time.
One thought immediately comes to mind in your situation:
Have you talked with your CPA about possibly amending your tax return to separate? I have no idea if this is a viable option, but it is a question I’d ask if I was in your shoes.
Beyond that, I’d suggest filing your taxes right away at the beginning of 2024 and recertifying your income right away.
I will check with him and see, I wasn’t aware that was even a possibility. It would be great if they could amend the payments earlier than 2024. Thank you.
I have 5 loans (each start at $12,000 or under) for undergraduate.
3 are on SAVE
2 are on IBR
Can I consolidate just the IBRs so that they can be switched to SAVE?
If I have made 84 payments and the Covid forbearance equates to 36 months, might they all be discharged?
The $12,000 forgiveness in 10 years only happens if your total balance is under $12,000. Sadly, it isn’t a per loan thing.
You can consolidate your loans together, and if they have different forgiveness progress, it might make sense to combine them all before 12/31/23.
My son and daughter-in-law each have federal student loans with balances of about $12,500 each. They have 2 children and they filed a 2022 joint tax return. If they apply for REPAY/SAVE at this point in time, both of their incomes would be factored into their repayment amounts and the monthly payments would be more than what they are currently paying on a standard 10-year repayment plan.
Can they start to make payments in October based on what they were paying prior to COVID and wait to sign up for SAVE until their 2023 income tax returns have been prepared (changing their status to married filing separately)?
Is there any penalty if they don’t start to make payments in October until they are able to enroll in SAVE after their 2023 tax returns have been prepared? During COVID, the loans were in forbearance. Will those months/years still be credited as being paid?
Your thoughts would be much appreciated.
Thank you.
If they were previously on an IDR plan before the pause started, they can resume payments on their old plan for at least six months.
There is an “on-ramp” program that protects borrowers who don’t make payments when the restart happens. For example, they shouldn’t face negative credit reporting. However, starting repayment right away is the best practice for a few different reasons.
Finally, the COVID pause will count toward IDR forgiveness for the borrowers who were in repayment.
Hi! I signed up for SAVE and got a letter saying mine and my husband’s payments will be zero. I was all excited until I started looking into the FHA/USDA mortgage qualification guidelines and realized I’m in trouble. Do you think that with a zero payment they assume your loans to be in deferment? Do you think HUD or someone will change that quickly or offer lenders new guidance for the new plan? Qualifying for a mortgage with student loans isn’t a new issue, but having just made changes a couple years ago that helped buyers get around the IDR plan issues, I’m surprised this was overlooked! My timing for a mortgage is challenging enough as it is! Can I take myself out of SAVE and enter a repayment program that gives me an actual payment so I can qualify for a mortgage? Any feedback on this is super appreciated, thanks!!!!!
That is a tricky situation for the reasons you have outlined. First, to answer your question, you can switch to a different repayment plan. If you can qualify for a small monthly payment on IBR, switching while you pursue a home loan could make sense. Once you close on your new house, you can switch back right away.
How the mortgage lender treats $0 payments varies from one lender to the next. Historically, they used 1% of your loan balance as the monthly payment. Recently, many lenders will now use .5% as the monthly payment. Getting them to accept a $0 payment could be challenging.
If you know what lender you will be working with, I’d suggest discussing this exact situation with them. There isn’t a single uniform standard for underwriting, so someone who knows the exact lender process may have some insight to share.
I’d also encourage you to check out this article on getting student debt ready for mortgage applications.
Good morning Michael,
Thank you for helping all of us navigate these changes with more insight.
I am graduated in 2020 from graduate school, therefore have 0 years into repayment. I am currently enrolled in the PAYE program. As I began signing up for the SAVE program, my projected monthly payment went UP ~$175. (suspect due to my increased income)
Can I continue on the PAYE program for 6 months until my taxes are updated?
Or is it best for me to just bite the bullet and begin paying the increased payment with SAVE now.
Thank you for your time and knowledge.
You can always switch to SAVE at a later date. Based on your prior certification at a lower income level, waiting could be a smart strategy.
One potential downside that I can see would be missing out on the SAVE subsidy. Whether or not that makes a big difference will depend on your balance, interest rate, and payoff strategy.
Appreciated this explanation a lot!
So I am a resident doctor (so currently not making a significant amount of money and have quite a bit of student loans). I eventually plan to go for PSLF. I previously was on PAYE and one of the benefits is that when I finish my residency and have a significant pay increase that comes with it I would only pay the standard 10-year payment amount (or 20 years, I can’t remember). Either way, this is significantly cheaper than what the SAVE plan would make me pay. Do you know if I am able to continue this plan throughout my residency, then switch to PAYE once I graduate?
Thanks!
If you are on REPAYE, you won’t be able to switch to PAYE after July 1, 2024.
However, you could switch to the 10-year standard plan, as that plan is also PSLF eligible.
I’d suggest giving your servicer a call and talking through your strategy to verify eligibility and PSLF progress so far.
Hi Mike, thanks for the article. I’m on the PAYE plan as my wife is a high income earner. If I’m understanding you correctly, I can continue having low monthly payments under the SAVE plan if my wife and I continue to file taxes separately? But if we file jointly, then her income is factored into my monthly payment?
SAVE sounds appealing especially with the interest being covered. Until phase II starts next year, do I apply to REPAYE now? Or am I able to apply to SAVE? Thanks!!
Your understanding is correct. SAVE borrowers can file separately to exclude spousal income.
As for applying to SAVE, the Department of Education is transitioning over many of their materials to call REPAYE SAVE even though that technically doesn’t happen until next year. If you apply online, it should be called SAVE. If, for some reason, you don’t see that option on the form you are using, apply for REPAYE. They are different names but the plan is the same.
Michael –
This is great info, really appreciate you putting it together. Like other comments, I have a subjective question for you.
I currently have $227k in student loans, the majority coming from grad loans. Currently, I am on a PAYE and like others have been saving money ( $160/mo in a HYS) for the inevitable tax bomb to come at forgiveness time.
I have 12 years left out of 20 before I can apply for forgiveness.
My current PAYE ( monthly payment of $658) is based off of $65k salary from pre covid days. My current role is a sales role and over the last few years of covid my taxable income has ranged from $105k-190k. This year my taxable income will be about $80k.
I also have 1 dependent now, with a second due in March 2024.
Yesterday I started the SAVE application and because my income from 2022 was $190k, my new payment under SAVE would be $1900.
Since I’m not making that amount this year, I could use my current pay stubs and apply for SAVE through MOHELA to get a lower amount, but before I do I want to make sure it is worth it in the long run.
1) Since my income for 2023 will be drastically different than 2022, does it make sense to recertify now with paystubs or should I wait until I file taxes for 2023?
2) Based on your comparisons between PAYE and SAVE, is 12 years close enough to the 20 year mark to stick with PAYE?
Best,
Alex
All good questions, Alex.
I’ll start by saying that with subjective questions like this, I usually can’t answer a question with any certainty — it is a judgment call. Instead, I try to add nuggets of info that the borrower might not have so they can make a more informed decision for their circumstances.
For your first question, you can start repayment under your old payment of $658 and use that number for at least six months. You have some flexibility as to which income they use.
As for the second, I really don’t know. I’ve gotten this question a lot lately and will be making some spreadsheets to do some analysis for an in-depth look at this issue, but I already know it really depends on the borrower. If you sign up for SAVE, you won’t be able to sign up for PAYE after July 1, 2024, so you have some time, but soon your decision becomes permanent. I’d suggest doing the math and running the numbers under a few different scenarios. What do you finances look like if things go well for the next decade or so? What do you think the most likely income path looks like? What happens if things go poorly? I’d want to think about all of that with numbers in front of me before making any decision. If you’d like a referral for some financial planning, let me know.
I’d also encourage you to think about job security as you make your projections. You are earning great money now, but if you lose your job, are you likely to be able to find another one with comparable income? Alternatively, are you in a great industry and likely to earn way more in the future?
All of these factors would go into my decision if I were in your situation.
Thanks so much for your website!
Question regarding the legality of the new SAVE plan. Certain members of Congress are claiming they will take issue with the SAVE plan when Congress goes back in session in the fall (as reported by several news outlets). They claim the SAVE plan is illegal. Are there any merits to this claim and do they have jurisdiction to modify the terms that the Education Department sets for loan repayment terms?
Thanks!
I can’t answer that definitively, as that is a final determination that only a judge can make if there is a lawsuit.
I will say that the Department of Education is part of the executive branch, and they have created repayment plans before without issue. Certain members of Congress not liking the plan probably doesn’t make a difference.
As a federal borrower who is signed up for SAVE, it would require enough members of Congress to pass new legislation for me to get worried.
Thank you. I appreciate your insights!
I wanted to seek clarification on eligibility for the new IDR plans, especially REPAYE/SAVE. I am currently a full-time graduate student. However, I’d like to start making payments on my unsubsidized loans now to lower the amount of capitalized interest while I finish my degree. As a result, I want to know if, 1. Can I sign up for the REPAYE/SAVE plan while in deferment to obtain the benefit of the interest subsidy, and 2. Does this answer change depending on if I’m currently working? (i.e. if my income is zero during deferment I wouldn’t qualify, but if I was earning income I could). Thank you!
While you are in school, your loan isn’t in repayment, so you wouldn’t be able to sign up for SAVE. Whether or not you are working, your school will still report to the Department of Education that you are in school.