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Help! I owe 500k in student loans (that’s half a million!!)

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We recently received an email from a reader with one of the largest student loan mountains we have ever seen.

Hi Sherpa,

I’ve been looking for a long time for a forum to discuss student loan issues. Much appreciated.

Here’s my situation…. It’s quite shocking:

$132,244.69 – Private Loans at 3% interest

$383,095.45 – Dept of Ed Loans between 6% – 8.5%

$11,573.81 – Federal Loans at 6.8%

Now… Me

A.S., B.S., J.D., LL.M.

$72,000 a year Income

Married – Filed Separately to lower Income Based Repayment

She does not have student loan debt and has great credit. She earns $60,000.

My credit score is 580-620.

Current Payments

$778 a month – Private Loans (had to negotiate it down to that)

$0 a month – IBR for Dept of Ed and Federal

The $0 payment is based upon my tax return last year when I was in school and had no income. IBR will kick in for the big loan balance currently at a $0 in September or October.

I am screwed when the Dept of Ed and Federal loans kick in.

Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated. I feel all alone in trying to figure this all out.

Thank you for starting this.

– Jake

Thanks for the email Jake.  For the readers who may be wondering how Jake racked up this much debt, the key is all the letters he has after his name.  J.D. means lawyer.  LL.M. means master of laws.  Jake has spent more time in law school than most lawyers even do.  That is a lot of college.

Getting Started

Tackling student debt, whether your owe $500,000 or $5,000, is largely the same.  Sort out your federal and private loans, find a repayment plan that works, and attack your debt.

In the case of Jake, the private loans may actually be the biggest hurdle.  This may seem surprising given the fact that he owes nearly $400,000 to the federal government, but when it is all said and done, the private loans will probably be the hardest to eliminate.

Attacking the Private Loans

Negotiating lower payments on your private loans is a huge first step.  Jake used his many years of legal training to get pretty low payments, especially considering how much he owes on these loans.

[Further Reading: Getting Navient to Lower Your Private Loan Interest Rate]

They key with this debt is realizing that it is not going anywhere.  Unlike federal loans, there are no programs to help you knock it out.  That $132,244.69 is only going to get paid off when you make your lender $132,244.69 worth of payments plus interest.

Even though the interest rate is really low on these loans, Jake may want to consider using any extra money he generates towards paying down the private loans.  Given that the federal loans have a higher balance and interest rate, it may not seem logical, but the approach makes sense if you consider…

Federal Student Loan forgiveness

On Jake’s salary, and with his federal student loan balance, he may never be able to pay off all of that debt.

By signing up for IBR, Jake puts himself in a position to have his student loan balance forgiven after 25 years.  Eliminating all this debt via forgiveness is great, but it comes with a huge catch.  That student loan forgiveness is considered taxable income.  This means that if the Department of Education wipes $400,000 worth of student loans off the books, the IRS will consider that as $400,000 of extra income.  If Jake normally brings in 72k per year, the year his $400,000 is forgiven, he will be taxed as though he made $472,000… which means a huge tax bill.  If you are going to go this route, the time to save for that huge bill starts now.

Another option would be for Jake to find a public service job.  Working for the government, or any 501(c)(3) non-profit will count.  By working a public service job, you can qualify for Public Service Student Loan Forgiveness.  This means student loan forgiveness after 10 years instead of 25.  In addition to your loans disappearing earlier, the forgiven debt is not considered taxable.  In this case, it makes a lot of sense to take less money to work a public interest job.

One important side note

There are a number of graduate student loans that were issued prior to the federal government directly loaning the money.  In the past the government just guaranteed the loans.  Many of these loans are not eligible for student loan forgiveness.  However, if you consolidate these loans into a federal direct consolidated loan, they become eligible for forgiveness.  Do your research and contact your lender to make sure all of your loans are eligible.  This is especially true for people who took out student loans prior to 2010.

The Bottom Line

Jake is on the right track with his student loans, but he clearly has a long way to go.  When it comes to attacking debt, regardless of the amount, the key is to put together an attack plan that works and to stick to it.

  • That is a staggering amount. I would have expected that the income would have been much higher as at first glance this would only seem to make sense if it included medical school. You have good advice, and I think it’s the best approach for this big mountain to climb.

  • CC

    An attorney aye? That is excessive.

    I saw the title and thought, “Hmm, he must be in the medical field.”

    There is only one other field that you can get $500,000 into debt and generate an income of 40-75k.

    It’s my former profession: Chiropractic.

    Jake is in good company.

    I can only speak from experience. There are tens-of-thousands of chiropractors well over $150k+ in debt.

    If you go back to the HEAL student loan days, there are chiropractors well over $500,000 in debt.

    Bottom line: Don’t take out student loans, no matter what.

    Unless Jack hits the lottery, his chance for a better life is (and I mean IS) over.

    What a shame.

    • DT

      I agree CC about not taking out student loans. The sad thing is that kids are not aware of how bad it could get until its too late. I know I have to take responsibility for my action, but I really didnt think it could get this bad. All your years of high school they tell you go to college, follow your dreams, etc… but never once do they tell you how costly and stressful this would be. Ive heard stories of people trying to do the right thing but living in a card board box in NY and waking up everyday, putting on their suite, and going to work. Sad! Even worst, Ive heard of student being so stressed out with it, they commit suicide. I admit, I actually asked my attorney if I could actually go to court and ask to be put in prison to pay off my debt. My stress level was really high – cant find a decent place to live, cant even apply for utilities or services without being charged deposit fees. When signing a lease, landlord use it to their advantage to increase security deposits or make almost impossible to meet deals. I live now in a 1 bedroom condo for the past year, still sleeping on an airbed and no furniture but a TV stand. Decent neighborhood but because the place needs alot of work, landlord only charges $1,000/month. But when I moved in I had to really negotiate – paid 2 month security, plus 5 months rent in advanced. Thats $7,000 out of my pocket. Thankfully, I had money orders Ive been storing away for about 3 years and had to use it all.

  • It is like having a mortgage without the low interest. Goals require a plan and debt is no different.

  • Similarboat

    I think he needs to focus on his career and increasing his income and apply everything he’s learned in school. His earning potential is much higher than where he’s at right now. With dedication, hard work, focus and effort there’s no reason he can’t double his income and clean up the mess in a few years.

    I don’t have $500k in student loan debt, but I do have $500k in business debt and was only making $88k income. After getting serious about it I was able to double my income with extra jobs, cutting business expenses, working 6 days a week 10-12 hour days. With a plan and a budget I’ll be done in 5 years or less and there’s no reason this same approach can’t be taken with his career field. Student loan debt should not be forgiven, it’s a legitimate debt that needs to be honored and repaid and I think the biggest issue here is figuring out a way to increase income to tackle it faster.

  • Carolyn Murdock

    I wish you didn’t get the LLM, not worth it. Go into private practice and work your ass off. You have to earn more than that measly salary to ever win. Your wife makes almost as much as you without all that college. My plan for my debt is to pay until I die or it is forgiven due to public service and I am then taxed at a lower tax rate

  • DT

    Im on the same boat! Almost had a heart attack when I was applying for an
    apartment and the realtor told me that my credit score was borderline unable to
    get me anywhere decent. Ran my credit when I got home and learned that I had
    over $550,000 (yes, more than half a million dollars) ALL in student loan debt.
    I have a Bachelors in Aeronautical Science and just got my MBA in mid 2015 (which
    was free with my scholarship). Basically the $550K was all racked up while
    getting my Bachelors and I didn’t even get to become a pilot because of medical

    My advice is to do what an attorney told me straight forward – Liquidate all
    assets and put NOTHING in your name!!

    Here are a few actions I took (100% truth):

    -No Assets: About a month after meeting this attorney, God worked a miracle when
    a guy slammed into my Acura at a red light and totaled it. I hate financing but
    forced myself to finance a new car which means the bank owns the vehicle. To
    keep my payments very low, I put a high down payment plus asked the dealer to
    extend the payment by maximum allowed (6 yrs). Monthly car payments is $170.
    Oh, and I left that accident scratch free. Just had whiplashes for about a
    month. Reason: if student loans attempt to sue, they cant take my car cause I don’t
    own it.

    -Liquidate all assets: On every paycheck, I pay all my bills and once a
    month I withdraw $1,000 – 2,000 in cash and store it someplace safe. I make
    sure to leave $20 – 100 in there just in case I need it and to show that I have
    money but not too much (in the eyes of student loan collection companies).
    Reason: believe it or not, they ARE monitoring your assets. If you show below
    $5,000 in assets and consistent withdraws, they believe you really cant make
    payments and might not waste their time trying to sue someone who “really has
    no money”.

    -Play hide and seek: After receiving 100’s of harassment calls at work, on
    my cell, all hours of the night & day, and tons of letters from collections
    (not exaggerating); I unlinked all ties
    to finding me. Disconnected my home phone and linked all bills to the
    disconnected phone number, sent all bills to my PO BOX to make it seem that I
    lived at that address. Once you change your banking and credit card info,
    expect student loans to automatically start sending you papers there. Reason:
    make it hard for student loan companies and collections to find you. Send them
    on a wild goose chase if you have to. Overall the point is to try to avoid
    being served for the statute of limitation to end. In my case its 5-7 yrs.

    Before speaking to an attorney, the truth is I was paying $200 a month to
    one company, when I was working full time and working on my Masters. Then a one
    day I got a call telling me that I paid Loan A yesterday, but now Loan B
    payments are coming due so that’s another $100 a month, so like an idiot I
    started paying. A few weeks later it happened again for Loan C. I later learned
    that the same company was not consolidating my loans but charging interest on
    each loan I owed. So basically Loans A, Loans B, Loans C, Loans, D, etc… will
    have to be paid individually. I believe I had a total of 11 accounts (Loans A –
    K) and each with different interest rates and monthly payments due. A paralegal
    at my job saw my drained from working two jobs plus school. She pulled me aside
    and asked me if I was using drugs because I had changed: got skinny, always
    looked drowsy, sleepy, etc.. I broke down in tears and told her. That’s when I
    got the advice to seek an attorney and STOP MAKING PAYMENTS!!!

    Student loans companies don’t care! So stop making payments if you truly
    cannot afford it! You could only afford so much and whatever amount you cannot
    afford they mark your entire account as UNPAID. You might as well get your
    wallet and burn your money every month, because payments won’t be applied and
    you’ll never catch up after late fees, more interest, etc…